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What do you live for?
Do you live for glory? Do you live for success? Do you live for money?

Are we no greater than a monkey? That means we're only living this life just for the sake of living it, we work, we mate, we grow, and we die. THE END
Or are we destined for a greater purpose? To please a creator, to live for God, to fulfil the purpose He made... Or is the concept of God, purpose, and following Him, is nothing more than a concept of human's arrogance?

;_;

A friend called me...He who once shared the same belief, no longer care about any belief. Power is the most important thing. A supreme God is not a resolute part of this life. God has once not answering his prayer, and he could only rely on himself...Doesn't God show His kindness to all people anyway? Doesn't the rain fall to both believer and unbeliever? So why bother believing?

Only in the long run can everything be shown, only later when we draw our last final breath, when every power we hold on to vanished can we tell whether a belief is true or not...whether this life we lead satisfied our maker, or satisfied our own self.

What are we living for?
Yourself? Power? Success? Money? Family? Or something that's as transparent and hard to believe as God?

I wish I could always explain better ;_;
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:iconkao-ichi-liev:
we are livin for Him of courseee...
i guess he's just erm.. how to say..?
he felt bitterness cz God didnt answer his prayer.. but u see.. what's his motivation of the dream he once wanted or even now wants..? if he got a wrong motivation, why would God even fulfill it..? God has great plans for everyone..

we live by faith. not by sight. 2kor 4:7..
ps: im still struggling with this too actually but i try.. xD LOL hehe..
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~Poporetto Nov 6, 2010   Digital Artist
iyah :)
kamu bener, dari awal emang motivasi buat impiannya ya impiannya, bukan Tuhan, dan mungkin ga pernah Tuhan ...
tapi yah sedih buat dia Liev ;_;
I guess it's just really sad to know someone giving up on God
it's like seeing someone die somehow.

Jiayou Liev, if life is like a race like what Paul said, then we shouldn't stop running.
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:iconkao-ichi-liev:
iy sih.. sedih jg~ hmm.. lg struggle jg sih..
byk banget tmn2 yg blom kenal Tuhan.. >___<

whee thankyou2. xD hehe..
yeah~ :D i'll try not to stop running.. >___<
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:icondont-lose-heart:
"Doesn't God show His kindness to all people anyway? Doesn't the rain fall to both believer and unbeliever? So why bother believing?"

actual believing makes you part of his kindness instead of just getting to see his kindness.
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:icondanvolodar:
If an omnipotent benevolent God exists, why is the world full of suffering? More than just that - can you imagine an unthinkably powerful and kind being creating things like pustules or leprosy?
So I just believe in living to make this world better for everyone, if only for the small bit each of us is able to do.
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~Poporetto Oct 6, 2010   Digital Artist
but...but...despite those sickness, doesn't all suffering was caused by human as well?
I don't think that God is fully to blame :(
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:icondanvolodar:
Well, they say the suffering is caused by the downfall of man. But isn't God omniscient? If he is, and if he is also omnipotent, doesn't that mean that he knew that Adam will fall when still yet creating him?

Besides, God is the only source of life - thus, all the horrible sicknesses (caused by bacteria and viruses) are created by God.

I don't want to sound negative, and obviously, neither do I want to challenge your faith - but I myself am startled by the unfairness of this world, all the needless suffering and sorrow. If God is not just, how can we worship him? If he is, why is everything as it is?
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~Poporetto Nov 8, 2010   Digital Artist
thank you for your opinion :)
I do though never stop questioning God, it's not like I'm having a blind faith, let's just say that I keep investigating His bible :)
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:icondont-lose-heart:
so a man in a barber shop tells his barber that he doesn't believe barbers exist. the barber asks why and the man just points to the man walking past the window with long scraggly hair and a thick untrimmed beard.
if there are barbers then why are people walking around with long messy hair and untrimmed beards?

barbers don't cut the hair of people who don't come to them. sometimes people get haircuts they don't like when they do go to the barber so they stop going. doesn't mean the haircut they got is bad just not what they wanted or expected.

so lets assume you're parents knew you were gonna do something stupid someday and mess something up. it's pretty much a given since we all do that at some point or another. is it their fault that you made a mistake?
what about your friends and their parents? i can't blame my parents for the stupid choices i've made.

as far as the whole bacteria/virus stuff goes...
the fall of man also meant the fall of the world. who knows they could have been beneficial to start with but with our fall and their fall with us things changed.

if everyone got vitamin B17 in their diet no one would get cancer. the vitamin b17 would destroy it before it could ever start to become a problem.

so why aren't we all eating things with vitamin b17 in them? it's very bitter and just doesn't taste good so we've made it harder to find or just don't eat the things it's in. it's harder to find grapes with seeds in some places these days because everyone always buys seedless grapes instead. no one eats apple seeds because they don't taste good. who can be bothered to crack open a plum or apricot pits to get to the seeds? greed and capitalism have also played a part in making it illegal to sell non-dried apricot seeds in certain places.

we have created a lot of our problems, sickness, and suffering by ignoring things that could help or by not helping the people we can.

God may have created the bacteria but he also likely created something that would keep it from being a problem if it weren't ignored or destroyed by us.

God is just. we are not.

if everything were fair God wouldn't have come to sacrifice himself for our sins. he would have left us all to rot. also, just because God will forgive sins doesn't mean he'll erase the consequences of the sins.

expecting him to is like saying "hey i stuck my hand in a wood chipper and my other one in a blender. i found them to be enjoyable experiences so keep giving me new hands so i can do it again and not have to worry about not having hands when i need them."

expecting God to fix everything for us is like expecting a teacher to do our homework and study for us. we don't learn anything that way.
a lot of us aren't doing our homework or studying so we aren't learning anyway.

what you said you believe is seems to me like the second part of the assignment given to us.
that assignment was to love God first and love your neighbor as much as yourself.

i agree that the world is quite an unfair place. it gets me down when i think about it.
it seems we differ on who's to blame and who's responsibility it is to fix things. God does fix a lot even though he doesn't have to. it's not always in the way we want or think it should be fixed. other things are left up to us to fix or work around.
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:icondanvolodar:
Barbers are neither omniscient, nor all-powerful. Barbers did not create their clients.

Yes, of course, it's the parents' fault if they haven't warned their child about the dangers of this world and the consequences the child itself may not be able to foresee. If the parents build a playground, and then a child breaks his jaw playing there, it's not the child's fault, don't you think?

Besides, there are lots of diseases that strike whether you take vitamins or not. Take the aforementioned leper or, say, the Black Death. Right, Europeans may not have been the most righteous lot, but toddlers died in horrible agony - and they never had a chance to sin, too. How is this just? How is this not the hand of God, if the epidemic did not depend on the actions of men in any way? How is then God just or benevolent in any manner?
How is a person designing how and why exactly your fingers, then hands, then arms will rot off while you still draw breath just and benevolent? There's no curing that, remember - once you get leper, you rot alive for years, and everything that can be done is removing you from the others so that they are not infected, too.

You mentioned the Fall. God created the angels, and Satan among their number. God created Adam. God knows everything, his designs are exactly as he wants them to be; yet you say that the Fall of Man was not foreseen by Him? Was not designed by Him?

You say God came to sacrifice himself for our sins. What did that change in the fate of humanity? How has that reduced the immeasurable amount of suffering on Earth? Oh, and no, before you go that way - Christianity has hardly reduced that, minding its history, from the Crusades to Inquisition to Reconquista to the conquest of the New World.

When a teacher tries to actually teach someone something, it usually doesn't involve random death sewn among the class, nor eternal torment if you make errors in your homework. Eternal torment, think about that for a second. How is someone condemning a living being to eternal suffering benevolent?

All in all, loving my neighbor as much as myself - that I can do, but it's not like we need a concept of God for that. Love God first? Even if it was undeniably proved that God existed, I wouldn't love a bloodthirsty being whose prophets let wild animals loose on children for calling them bald and who turns people into columns of salt for turning their head the wrong way.
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